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Build Your Legacy Through Ownership and Self-Awareness with Marques Ogden

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In this episode of Pro Mindset® Podcast, host Craig Domann sits down with former NFL offensive lineman, TEDx speaker, author and business coach Marques Ogden to explore his journey from adversity to empowerment. From a multi-million dollar NFL career to losing everything in 90 days, Marques’ story of resilience and accountability has been featured in Forbes, USA Today, Core Magazine, Authority Magazine, Sir Walter Raleigh Media and more. 

Marques shares his experiences of overcoming personal storms, the pivotal role of self-awareness, and the transformative power of the “Bison Mindset.” He emphasizes the importance of ownership, resilience, and building a legacy through bold actions. Marques also discusses the significance of mental strength and consistency in achieving success.

Episode Takeaways:
💡 Resilience—Embrace the Bison Mentality 
💡 Empowerment—Ownership and Bold Actions 
💡 Legacy—Build a Lasting Impact 

Join us for an inspiring conversation on personal growth and triumph.

📲Connect with Marques:
🌐Website: https://www.marquesogden.com/ 
📸Instagram: @marquesogden
👋LinkedIn: @Marques Ogden
📱Facebook: @Marques Ogden
🎙️Podcast: https://getauthenticwithmarquesogden.com
📚Books: https://www.amazon.com/Success-Cycle-Achieving-Goals-Business
                 https://www.amazon.com/Sleepless-Nights-NFL-BUSINESS-FAMILY

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PRO MINDSET (00:

01.922) Hey, welcome everybody to Pro Mindset Podcast. Today we have a returning guest, Marcus Ogden. Marcus, welcome to Pro Mindset today.

Marques Ogden (00:

10.52) How are you, Craig? Thanks for having me on, my friend.

PRO MINDSET (00:

13.214) Absolutely. So just to kind of catch everybody up and remind them you're an executive coach, you're an entrepreneur, you're a speaker, you're a author, you're a all-around busin businessman. So let's kind of let's kind of dive into what's new for you now.

Marques Ogden (00:

36.952) So I'm glad you asked, Craig. So right now, a couple of things that are coming up that are really new. Number one is we have Ogden Victorymindset.com. Ogden Victory Mindset.com is our website where people who want to be part of our brand but can't afford my high-ticket coaching or speaking or consulting, they still want to get information and be part of what we're doing in our movement. So on there, we're gonna have our new book that we're working on. Purchase that. But as of right now, you can go and get the Ogden app, which is like our Ogden Academy app. It has different things on like soft skills of business and a little more hard skills, kind of more of that kind of combination, but more focusing on the hard skills of business. You got the bison operating system where you can go and learn more of the soft skills like grit, determination, you know, attributes over skill sets, type of you know, attribute. And then we've got like masterminds we're gonna be doing, cohort program. So Augin Victory Mindset was created, Craig, to help people who want to be part of what we're doing, but can't afford the higher ticket items, be able to find something, a product or service that they can afford on that website. And then our book that we're working on, it's called Built from the Storm, the Bison Operating System. It's kind of like a combination of like atomic habits and extreme ownership, where we're getting people to understand how accountability is so important in their life and how to live their life more like a bison. The bison craig is the only animal that charges directly into the eye of the storm. It's the only animal. And the bison believes what they do is they have the strong on the outside. And the older or the weaker bison in the middle, and they charge and go directly at the storm because the bison believes, and I agree with this 100%, the fastest way out of a storm is through a storm. So we're really helping people understand that there is the acronym for bison, which is boldness, integrity, self-awareness, ownership.

Marques Ogden (03:

00.157) Never ever quit. So we really teach people when you develop and sustain the bison mentality. There's no storm you can't persevere and or thrive through. So those are some two things we're working on new. And of course, our podcast, Get Authentic, with Marcus Ogden, is ranked in the top half percent most popular podcast worldwide. We are getting a lot more big name guests. a lot more with our videos and YouTube and our cut-ups, and we're driving a lot more listeners. So that's continuing to flourish as well. But again, that's those are three things are Og the Victory Mindset dot com, built from the storm, the bison operating system, and then our podcast speaking coaching as well.

PRO MINDSET (03:

49.102) Okay, let's jump we got a lot of places we can go, but let's jump into victory mindset. Give me a synopsis of what a victory mindset is.

Marques Ogden (03:

53.601) Sure. 58.178) Victory mindset, Craig, is when it's not just about you winning. It's everybody around you. There are three types of mindset. Fixed mindset, which is completely negative, growth mindset, which is good. You want to get better, you want to grow, but it's only about your growth, your advancement. Then it's victory mindset, which is all about you, but everybody you come into contact with. your friends, your family, your clients, your team. And when you develop the victory mindset mentality, you are positioned for greatness. And I tell people it's a lot like sports. The Seattle Seahawks won the Super Bowl last season. They had, in my opinion, the best victory mindset mentality as a unit. And it showed when it mattered most in the biggest game of sports of football on a football stage, they dominate it. So it's all about learning, right, Craig? It's not just about you, it's about everybody around.

PRO MINDSET (05:

07.054) I one thousand percent agree with that one, my man. Okay, so 15.042) first thing I thought of when you were talking about the bison operating system and running the fastest way through the storm, the fastest way out of a storm is through it. Because all of us that procrastinate, we procrastinate because we're paralyzed. We procrastinate because we're fearful of the outcome. We procrastinate because of things we don't know could happen that could hurt us. How do you how do you shift from procrastination and fear of outcomes to running into a storm?

Marques Ogden (05:

55.106) You know what, Craig? I learned this a long time ago. But I faced it probably it was gonna be like January of 2023. So I know that running from your problems, procrastinating, putting your head in the sand, hoping, praying it's going to pass you by is not real life. Because it's not gonna pass you by, it's gonna sit on your head. And so what happened to me, right, Craig, I really learned.

PRO MINDSET (06:

17.176) Yeah.

Marques Ogden (06:

24.907) And I didn't realize it at the time, but I really learned about the bison mentality, the bison mindset. It was January of 2023. So November 2022, I had moved out of my marital home. I had just filed for divorce, we had gone through a temporary agreement, and I had to leave the house and get out, which was very painful, but it was what it was. I moved into an apartment, Craig, for you know, for with me and my daughter. I only had two weeks to get out. That's it. Two weeks. I ended up moving into a very dilapidated, broken down apartment. And November 2022, December 2022, the first half of January 2023, it was a pity party for Marcus. Please, Marcus, feel sorry for yourself. Please, everybody feel sorry for me. Poor me, poor me. Da-da-da-da. It was everything was like just a pity party. I was in victim mindset. And what happened is, right, Craig, I was drinking heavily. I was going out and just lose being a fool. I was just not living a very good life. And what happened was my eight-year-old daughter, who now is almost 12, Farah, came to me and said, Daddy, can I tell you something? I said, Of course, Bear, what's going on? I don't like where we're living. I am afraid to go to sleep at night. I don't like our area. It's not safe. I want a better quality of life. She said, I want to go home with mommy and you in the same house. I said, Farah, that can't happen. But I know what can happen. I can develop a mindset and push forward in my journey and stop feeling sorry for myself. And I can develop a bison mindset, and I can stop waiting for storms to pass me by or go around me or go over top of me because it's never gonna happen. And that was the moment, Craig, that I said enough is enough. And I started to fix my stuff. And then May of that year, that was January 2023, she told me at mid-January 2023, Farrah told me that. Mid-May 2023.

Marques Ogden (08:

47.883) I bought a brand new home in a very upscale neighborhood. I tell people I live now in a leave it to Beaver neighborhood. I bought a 3,100 square foot home by myself for me and my daughter after hearing from her that she wasn't safe. So my point is, Craig, if I can do it, so can you. But it took, being honest, it took me to get that to regain that purpose. And regain that passion to be more for my eight year old. And once I heard it, I have not let go of it since.

PRO MINDSET (09:

26.474) Isn't it funny how when you have a dream or you have a goal, it's it's something that might happen, but when it's some when it's driven by another person, the probability of it happening is higher. Especially

Marques Ogden (09:

45.23) Mm-hmm. Because Craig, the for me, right, I I knew I wasn't living a good life. I mean, I knew that. Massive drinking, staying out late, doing things I know I shouldn't be doing. I mean, I knew that, right? Because today I'm down like 30, 40, between 30 to 40 pounds. I don't drink pretty much anymore at all. I work out constantly. I do, you know, take care of myself, self-care, skin, feet, you know. All the things I should be doing. And life today is a lot better. A lot better. But at the time, right, I was in it. And I'm like, well, I know I'm not living right, but it's okay because poor me, I had to file for divorce. Poor me, I don't live in my home anymore. Poor me, I'm having to uproot my life and change everything in a flash. But when Farah told me, I said to myself, Is that the legacy I want to leave for her? That when things get tough that I just fold and I just stay down and I just stay in victim mode? And the answer was no. And that's when I made the change.

PRO MINDSET (11:

01.293) Okay, so let's go back to that time and place where you were not living your best life. And let's pretend that your daughter was more tolerant and she didn't say what she said. What would it take? And how can you let I'm I'm wanting you to coach and teach someone listening that's in that place right now. They're not they don't have a daughter that's gonna tell that's gonna wake give them a wake up call. How do you manufacture a wake-up call for yourself if no one else says anything to you? Your best friends let you fall. Your, you know, your kids don't say anything because they they feel intimidated. How do you create an anchor, a pivot when you're in that victim mode?

Marques Ogden (11:

49.048) So what has to happen, right, Craig? You have to think about what purpose you want to leave behind or what legacy you want to leave behind. One of our big clients, Craig, I didn't think last time we talked, they really weren't a client of ours at all, but now they're huge, huge client of ours, and they love us. It's Mass Mutual. This is their 175th anniversary this year, founded in 1851. Which is nuts to even say. Their entire theme, Craig, of the entire year, a legacy of purpose, creates a future of possibilities. And so what I'm gonna challenge you is if you're in a space where I was and you're struggling, what legacy do you want to leave behind? What is the purpose that you want to do something for to leave that positive impact? I tell people, legacy, you can say another way, It's the positive impact you want to be known for. So if you're struggling, look inside yourself and ask yourself that question. What legacy do you want to be known for? Because that happened to me, right, Craig, when I was went through my bankruptcy, moved down here to Raleigh with $400 to my name. I only had no I had again, Craig, I had 400. No credit cards. No 401, no nothing. $400, a job that was giving a start, and I was almost homeless because I couldn't afford next month's rent. What happened to me is when I hit rock bottom, I looked inside myself because I didn't have my daughter fair at the time. I had Ava, who was my stepdaughter, who's like my daughter. She was at the time nine, but there was no fair telling me that there was no, it was just me. And I told myself when I was on that curve. If I don't change, the legacy I'm gonna leave behind will be one of tarnishment and of negativity. And then my dad, who worked so hard to give me a better life than he had, my legacy will his legacy will die with my legacy. So it took me to understand I had to find that thing, that it factor. And if you're struggling, that's okay.

Marques Ogden (14:

13.739) We all have hardships. Just don't stay down and focus on what purpose you want to reignite, what passion you want to rekindle, and then focus on that legacy you want to be known for.

PRO MINDSET (14:

30.735) Okay, let's go to Bison, the boldness ownership, never quit, acronym. What which one of those describes pivot or you've hit that rock bottom or you've connected to your legacy? Which one because like boldness is is action, okay? is it ownership? Which one of those resonates with that? Where you know, where you gotta go, I gotta take ownership of my storm.

Marques Ogden (15:

04.645) I mean it's it's definitely ownership because if you don't own it, you can't fix it. I tell people don't point the finger, point the thumb. Because this you can't change, but this you can. One of my favorite Jack Canfield equations, E plus R equals O. Event plus response equals outcome. The event is out of your control. This is out of your control. But the response, your thoughts, your behaviors, your images that is in your control. Just like this, you can change. If you don't like your size, go to the gym. If you don't like your weight, change your eating habits. Walk more, drink more water, things like that. If you don't like what you're doing salary-wise, you know, you don't like your job. Salary-wise, okay, work hard, try to find something else while doing what you do, take care of your family. And if you find it, make the pivot, right? Make the switch. You can change that, right? And like the equation says, your thoughts, your behaviors, and the images, when those are positive, like when you have positive thoughts, you show positive behavior, and you focus on strong positive images.

You will have a better outcome. So ownership is all about stop looking for somebody to blame and look in the mirror first. I always tell my clients:

if you aren't gonna face this person, then you're not gonna be able face anybody else outside of this.

PRO MINDSET (16:

55.809) One of the things that you talk about on your website is being real. What does real mean to you?

Marques Ogden (17:

03.031) Being real, Craig, means really being authentic and being vulnerable and being honest with yourself, knowing that who you are is going to change because we don't ever stay the same. And being real means owning your stuff, good, bad, or indifferent. And not looking for somebody else to blame, pass the buck to, go here, go there. We don't got time for all that.

It's about really taking complete ownership of your journey and really saying, okay, I'm the one. There's a great quote. There are, this is by Darren Hardy. There are two magic factors in your success: consistency and you, the person in the mirror. One of my favorite quotes from Aristotle:

we are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act. But a habit. It's not about what you do every once in a while, every other day, every blue moon. I've been working out six days a week for I I don't know how many years. I I mean I don't know how even when I wasn't eating great or doing all that, I still worked out. Now that I'm actually eating a lot better, it's drinking more water, you know, cutting back massively to almost nil with alcohol. Better self-care, I can see a much healthier, better version of me. But even when I still was drinking a lot or eating, I still worked out six days a week, right? But it's now better for me. I'm seeing even more results now. But that's always been a habit, has been the gym. So my point is, everybody listening, it's not about what you do every once in a while. Again, we are what we repeatedly do. Excellence therefore is not an act but a habit, which means it's not something you do every once in a while, it's what you do all the time.

PRO MINDSET (19:

08.375) in everything you do in all parts of your life, whether it's being a a parent or being a an entrepreneur, a business owner, an employee, doesn't matter. So yep, I agree with that. Okay. So in my mind, I I just flash to football. And you know, it's people don't talk about it a lot, but the there's you know 53 guys on every NFL team times 32. It's 1700 and some odd guys. But there's a lot of guys that are better players that are home watching NFL games on the couch because they faced a storm. And most of them ran from that storm. Could have been an injury, a fractured relationship with a coach, could have been misunderstanding with a coach. Next thing you know, they're on the streets. How would you advise an athlete that's currently in the league? Or in let's say college football or high school, it doesn't matter. It doesn't need doesn't have to be a football player, it can be any athlete that's facing a storm. Let's say it's a relationship with a coach or a teammate, or maybe they're they're just in the they're in a funk. They go, they they need to blossom steam after the season's over. And they go to some you know fancy place to like party and have fun, and then they can't get back to the grind. They're stuck in the fun mode, and now they're at OTAs and they screw that up. How how do you coach an athlete so that they can have a bison mentality?

Marques Ogden (20:

56.127) It starts with understanding that it's far more mental than physical. And that's guys who are home on the couch have great physical talent, great physical skill set, but the mental part is not there. I was talking to one of my great friends who used to coach at UNLV, he was the strength coach. He was telling me about a player who was a running back while he was there. This running back had so much potential. I mean, he was phenomenal. He had all the speed. He had the power. He had the size. And the guys and the guys were talking to him from the NFL. Okay, man, what's the knock on him? And my guy wouldn't lie, he said, man, great football player, great on the field, but off the field, in the meeting rooms, in the formations, he just doesn't show up. He doesn't come to meetings on time. He falls asleep in meetings. He doesn't give the work he's supposed to be given. He just thinks he's just going to rely on his natural talent. And somebody and one of the and somebody said to him, If you bring him in, understand this. Said, okay, I believe it was the Saints that brought him in. Undrafted, brought him in. He had a great first day of OTAs. Had a great first camp of OTAs. Came mandatory camp with the veterans. He had a great first day. He decided they I'm doing great. I'm on fire. He falls asleep in a meeting. He wakes up, a ton goes to the coach, they cut him. He never ever saw the football field again. He's working now in a warehouse. Craig, that's the difference. It's not about doing it every once in a while. It's about doing it all the time. When I played Craig, I was in the film room all the time. I was on the field all the time.

PRO MINDSET (22:

30.765) Mm.

Marques Ogden (22:

53.259) Mean my coaches used to tell me, Marcus, do you live here? Like, yes, I do. I always had a hundred percent workout attendance every time, every offseason. I never missed a workout with any team. I always maintain a hundred percent workout percentage. 100%. Never missed a day. Ladies and gentlemen, that's what this is about. Like, if you're gonna talk about playing anything at a high level, football, basketball, business. You want to be Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. You don't do it every once in a while. You don't look for shortcuts. You do the hard things every single day when other people are looking for excuses to not do the hard things. But again, that's a great example, Craig, of a guy had all the talent. I mean, four, four in the forty, two hundred and forty pounds tailback. I mean, everything. But every team passed on him, even in undrafted, bring him to camp because of his reputation. And the Saints, the Saints thought they could change him. I believe it was the Saints. Thought they could fix him. He just, his old habits, what we talk about, right? It was a habit. It was a habit of falling asleep, not doing what he needed. That's what he developed over time. And that habit caught up with him. I mean, Craig, he wakes up from the meeting. He wakes up in the team meeting and they said, go see the coach. You're done.

PRO MINDSET (24:

23.439) Okay, my man. Help me help our listeners. How in the heck do you create consistency? Because you said it, man. You showing up and and and having a high standard, all that kind of stuff is great. But if you do it one time, it nobody cares. You have to do it all the time. It has to become who you are. How do you train people, coach people, teach people? Consistency.

Marques Ogden (24:

55.657) One of my favorite things to talk about, because I learned this from you might you might remember you might remember this name, Mike Malarkey. He was the former head coach of the Buffalo Bills. Falcons was a great player in the NFL, went to Florida for college. Mike was my head coach in Buffalo. Mike said, if you want to control your life and take control of everything in it and be consistent, right? Because there's there's Fourth, there's four C's. There's communication, there's consistency. That's one of the C's. But he said to take control of consistency, manage the other two at a high level. Calendar and your clock. Coach said, if you don't control your calendar, if you don't control your clock, your day will run you. If that happens, Will run your butt right out of this building. I heard that when I was 24 years old playing with Buffalo, and I never forgot it. And that was the time. I was always disciplined. I was always doing things anyway, but I heard that from Coach Malarkey, and I said, that's how you stay consistent. You efficiently manage and execute on your calendar, scheduling things, and then your clock within your calendar. I was just talking to one of my coaching clients about this on Tuesday of this week. He said, Marcus, I'm doing a lot of things right now. I'm finding that I have things on my calendar, but I'm not executing things. I look at my calendar at the end of the day, the day got away from me. I still have things on my calendar. I said, Brian, are you putting things into time blocks on your calendar? He said, No. I said, There's the problem. I said, because if you just have things on a calendar with no time block, you can get it done anytime. Or worse yet, not at all. I love Craig at the end of a day. I love seeing a calendar, right, on my phone that was full with meetings and everything. Time schedule. Boop, boop, boop, boop. At the end of the day, it's empty. Because I've done everything in that day. I don't go to sleep.

Marques Ogden (27:

23.949) Until everything on my calendar that's time blocked is done and off my calendar. I will not go to sleep if an item is on my calendar to do. I won't do it. That's how you develop the consistency.

PRO MINDSET (27:

41.455) I like it. Okay, you talked about Coach Mullarkey saying what he said about consistency. Share with our audience of another valuable lesson that you learned from your experience in the NFL that's carried over to five, ten years later. And that maybe now you even understand how important it is more than when you learned it.

Marques Ogden (28:

14.721) Lesson that I learned from Coach Del Rio: be your own CEO. Be your own chief executive officer. Jack always said: if we have to tell you where to go, where to be, how to be a professional, how to run your life, how to do your job, you won't last long. And that was awesome for me to hear, Craig, because what I realized right then and there. It was just a lot more about talent. It was just a lot more about just skill. It's about who is going to be disciplined, who is going to be self-starting to take control of their own life. And that's why I loved playing football. My body doesn't love it right now because I've got a bad hip, the other crime crap I've gone through. But what I've learned from a mental standpoint, because football is a Big business with pads on, you hit people, and you're trying to win the Lombard trophy. Football is not a game, it's a business. That's what it is, and it always will be that. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're trying to achieve anything in life, you have to be your own self-starting, self-inspired CEO. You have to be. There's just so many people like take Colonel Sanders, who didn't become Famous until what his mid to late 60s, right? With KFC. How many times did he fail having a bankruptcy? I mean, unfortunately, he almost took his own life from what I understand. I'm not know all the specifics. That's what I understand and I've heard. And then next thing you know, he develops KFC and becomes a multimillionaire and has a legacy of his chicken, right? So many great people have gone through the struggle. So many. But the ones who never give up are the ones that win. The ones who are self inspired and self starting always shine against the ones who are waiting for somebody to tell them what to do, how to do it, where to be.

PRO MINDSET (30:

30.339) I think it goes without saying that if you are your own CEO, you're in charge of your life and you're not delegating it to other people, your teachers, your coaches, your parents, your teenmates, your friends, your posse. it also connects to your word ownership in the bison. Umership is so huge because when you own your own story, you own your own future.

Marques Ogden (30:

55.083) Everything.

PRO MINDSET (30:

59.927) It changes everything.

Marques Ogden (31:

01.613) Changes your whole perspective on life.

PRO MINDSET (31:

06.639) Yeah, let's talk let's talk a little bit about what's happening in in college sports right now with name, image, and likeness, and some of these young men getting paid seven figures before they get promised seven figures before they leave high school. And then they go to college, and all of them at bigger schools are getting six figures. And they may may not even be ready to play as a freshman. I I'm seeing this like gap between because I'm doing more NIL now, this gap between like what they're getting compensated and what they're contributing. And they're not stupid. They see the gap. They feel the gap. They hear the gap. They hear the conversations. They overhear conversations in the locker room about I'm not sure why they paid him that much money. He ain't even, he's not even on the too deep. So How is that eventually gonna show up in a young young man's life if he's not really deserving or earning the money they're paying him? Is it

Marques Ogden (32:

17.101) What's what's gonna have to happen is the young athletes gonna have to be real with themselves about where they are in their journey. You're gonna have to learn how to work your butt off to get yourself in better standing. Because again, the worst thing you could ever do to an athlete is hand a bunch of money that they don't earn, especially in college. Because what can happen is they could get a bunch of money, not earn it, and then it could cause depression or anxiety or stress later on. This is why I always tell people. It's so important that these young athletes get mentorship and/or guidance in how to pr conduct themselves as professionals because that's going to allow them to be able to continue to move throughout what they're doing in their life. So if you're listening as a young athlete, I'm not saying what you can get. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is wherever you do get, understand there's going to come a price tag with what you're getting paid. Understand that. Treat yourself like a professional and start getting some mental mindset work and some mental mindset mentorship and/or guidance because at the end of the day, you're going to want to learn how to conduct yourself, handle yourself as these things go on through your life. So start learning how to do that early.

PRO MINDSET (33:

39.087) Can you imagine making a couple of million dollars in college?

Marques Ogden (33:

41.134) No, I mean, good for them, but no, I not when I played, we we weren't getting paid anything. We just go out, we got a scholarship, we did our job, and if you made to the National Football League, God bless you, it was amazing. If you didn't, then you had to go get a job. So, again, these kids have the opportunity to set themselves up for life and not after in in college, which is great, but understand there comes a lot of responsibility. with that. So do not take that lightly. That's all I'm gonna say.

PRO MINDSET (34:

17.439) With you, my man. Okay, so you were very vulnerable, saying that, hey, at one point in time, you know, you weren't in good place. you weren't living where you wanted to be living, your daughter didn't want to be living where you were living. I want you to be vulnerable and I want you to look back at your football career and identify the the one aspect of the bison that you didn't have as much as you wished you would have had.

Marques Ogden (34:

31.381) Okay.

PRO MINDSET (34:

46.477) Wish you would have had that you might have today, but if you would have had it at eighteen or at twenty or twenty two or when you're in the league, your league experience might have been different. Because my guess is I want to say one thing. Whatever it is, there's a ninety percent chance every athlete out there is the same thing. Go ahead.

Marques Ogden (34:

58.443) Self self.

Marques Ogden (35:

10.007) That's easy. Self-awareness. I wish I would have been a lot better at taking criticism to make myself better. I always loved positive feedback, but I didn't like negative feedback or feedback that was constructive that or constructive criticism, I hated it. So I was never ever truly self-aware of how to improve myself. And how to be better and how to do more and how to push for more. I always worked my butt off, but I would have really loved if I was a young player, I would have been more self-aware of how to get better and how to be a pro and not be so quick to feel like someone was attacking me if they were turning me constructive criticism. I wish I would have been more self-aware of how to better myself. and handle those type of incidents, it would have helped me tremendously. It would have it would have helped me tremendously in my football career, for sure.

PRO MINDSET (36:

20.931) Okay, I would say that that same challenge is at the forefront of most collegiate athletes.

Marques Ogden (36:

27.872) yeah, I agree. A hundred percent agree.

PRO MINDSET (36:

30.497) So you said that you wish you would have been more self-aware and you wish you would have handled criticism more so you could figure out how to improve. Now the question, Marcus, is how do you do that? How do you become more self aware?

Marques Ogden (36:

48.365) Stop thinking that you're gonna always be perfect in all that you do. Stop thinking that you're gonna always have it figured out. Stop thinking that you can't get better when someone challenges you to be better. And once you get rid of that thinking, once you remove your ego, that was the problem. Self-awareness, if you're lacking in that or you don't want to address that, it's because you have an ego that's massive. And when I play football, I'm not gonna lie, I had a massive ego. I truly did. And that's why it was hard for me to accept criticism. Feedback. And now as I'm older, I want feedback. I want criticism. I want constructive criticism. I want constructive criticism. I want constructive feedback. That's the only way I'm gonna get better. That's what we I mean, tell you. I mean, Craig, we ended up having to throw out. A system that we had for our podcast, how we're looking to bring people in. It was very low budget. It was very inefficient. It was very had so many gaps. Now, Craig, we hired a guy to help us with those things, to build us workflows or mini websites within our brand. We have our main website. Do we now have a podcast workflow, mini website or lead magnet? We have a keyno speaker workflow, lead magnet, mini website. We have a coaching slash consulting workflow, lead magnet mini website. And my friend, it looks so amazing now. And we have so many people that have filled it out. So many people now want to be on our show. We just signed on, well, not signed on, we just got Murr, whose name is James Murray from the Impractical Jokers. Him and I think her name is Natasha are coming on our show July 1st. We have gone through and we're still getting better with it. We've improved our LinkedIn, created a podcast LinkedIn page, a keynote speaker LinkedIn page, a coaching/slash consulting LinkedIn page. The point is, right, Craig, like today I'm all about feedback and criticism, and that's why our brand is now going like this.

Marques Ogden (39:

15.425) Whereas before it was going like this, but it was just taking so long because everything was disjointed. It was not where it was supposed to be. So that's what it's all about now.

PRO MINDSET (39:

27.159) Okay, that's awesome. Congratulations on that. You brought up the word ego. And ego is good until it's not. And if you don't have an ego, it's really hard to be successful because you've got to have you got to have that belief in who you are. You got to think that you can do it, even though people may tell you you can't. Ego serves a really positive purpose. But then there's a line and it crosses that line and it starts working against you because you think that you've already made it before you've made it. You think that the money's gonna last longer than it's gonna last. All these kind of things. How do you most productively manage your ego so that it works for you and not against you?

Marques Ogden (40:

18.413) Have confidence and belief in yourself, but understand this: the minute you stop listening to people that you know have expertise, experience, and/or wisdom in the area that you should be listening to them and gaining from them and using that information to enhance your job or your career or your skill set, the minute you stop listening. Now you're in trouble because it's great to have confidence and self-belief and an ego that you can do something, you can be the best that you can be. That's okay. But ego, when it crosses over to you stop listening and you stop thinking that you can learn, and you stop thinking that you can take advice from others, that's the beginning of the end for you. And that's why I lost my construction company. That's why I had trouble trying to get my life back on track because I constantly stop listening to people that I should have been listening to. And that is the most important factor in this business and in your life, in this journey. Never let your ego get bigger than the good part of your soul. And what I mean is, if you are talking and people are talking to you, and you're not listening, there's a problem.

PRO MINDSET (41:

49.945) Hmm. I think it's when I think the the maybe it's the beginning of the end or maybe it's the end is when you think you have it all figured out.

Marques Ogden (41:

59.146) it's the end. It's not the beginning, it's the end. It's the end. Cause it's the end.

PRO MINDSET (42:

01.705) It's end. Yeah. We there's always somebody that can give you great advice on how to do something better, more efficient. Whatever the case may be, there's ways to get better. And other people can see things that we can't see. Right? Okay. So

Marques Ogden (42:

22.761) Always

PRO MINDSET (42:

27.863) You you've brought up legacy more than once. You talked about a little bit about rocking and rolling in your processes right now, and you've also talked about some hardships. How are you packaging all that wisdom experience and delivering it to your kids so that they can live more on the right side of things? Then not. So your eight-year-old daughter now is probably about 12 or something like that. Okay. So, you know, she's she's only ready for a certain amount of this information. But as time goes on over the next four, five, six years, she's under under your roof before she goes off to school. How are you packaging this for her so that she can live her best life and not make the same mistakes that you did?

Marques Ogden (43:

01.877) Alm I was twelve, yeah. 22.411) I tell her to live on the character ethics side of life. Loyalty, truth, honesty, virtue, patience. Live wisdom. Live on the character ethics side of life. Because when you do that, you're gonna always be in a position to have gratitude and have no ego and always be a person that's humble. And it's a servant and it's helping others. You're living your life with purpose, not just for you, but purpose driven, where your purpose is helping others as well. So I'm always stressing to both of my girls, 22 and 11, who's almost 12, that they need to be living on the character ethics side of life. And when they do that, that's when great things are gonna happen for them.

PRO MINDSET (44:

15.969) Okay, the culture and and society and social media and friends is not telling that. So how do you how do you make an impression on your girls when all they gotta do is get on Instagram or go like your twenty something year old go to a party and it's not that. It's like it's it's it's never been that. So, you know What is your What kind of steroids do you have to make sure that they get this because the everybody else is telling them something different?

Marques Ogden (44:

56.351) I always tell my girls, you want to be a disruptor and you want to set the tone, not follow and follow the leader. You want to be the leader. And when they hear that, that constantly reminds them that they're the ones that are in control of their own life. And that's why my 22-year-old graduated college from NYU. She's now back home in Raleigh. She's gonna be working at at a UNC hospital in the I intensive care unit. That's why Farah is doing great in school, doing basketball, doing singing lessons, has a recital tomorrow. It's probably gonna go pick her up in a minute in a minute for her practice. And, you know, it's great. And so this is why both my girls are are disruptors and not followers. And that's exactly what I've taught them to do. And I will do that until the day I'm no longer here.

PRO MINDSET (45:

50.901) In the interest of time and your responsibility as a dad, got one final question. You talk about massive breakthroughs. Of all the things we did we talked about today, or maybe didn't talk about today. Someone is looking for I I think almost everybody's looking for a massive breakthrough in some aspect of their life. They might be killing it financially, but they're not, they look in the mirror and they don't look like they don't like what they look like. They they've they they've got a great relationship, but something else is not going well. How do you what is your recipe? What is your process? You know, like the just the the the the basic fundamentals of creating momentum. Towards a massive breakthrough.

Marques Ogden (46:

40.021) It starts with doing something small every single day. I tell my clients, the small things add up to the big things. If you're trying to lose weight, you didn't gain the weight all in one day, you're not gonna lose it all in one day. If you're trying to grow a business, it's not gonna you're not gonna it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna have this massive breakthrough in one day. Doesn't happen that way.

PRO MINDSET (47:

00.397) Come on, Marcus. You wanna lose it all in one day. Come on, bro.

Marques Ogden (47:

09.469) Everything that's worth something takes time. And that's what people have to understand. Again, we'll go back to Aristotle. We are what we repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act, but a habit. Repeatedly, just try to be one step, one yard, one inch Better than you were yesterday. And when you do that, it'll start to add up to big, gigantic wins.

PRO MINDSET (47:

49.795) Thank you very much for being on Pro Mindset today. I want everybody you're welcome. I want everyone to check out the show notes so you can check out his victory mindset, his bison operating system, his coaching, his app, all those type of things. is there anything in in particular that you'd like to direct the audience to? Any

Marques Ogden (47:

54.027) Thanks for having me, my friend.

Marques Ogden (48:

13.537) Yeah, they can go to our our website, www.marcusogden.com, and also check out our podcast, get authentic with Marcus Ogden. We're on YouTube, we're on Spotify, we're on Apple, all the majors. And again, come in and listen to authentic stories of authentic human beings.

PRO MINDSET (48:

37.347) That was a very authentic podcast today. I want to thank you very much for being on.

Marques Ogden (48:

42.925) Thanks so much, my friend. Appreciate you.